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Jun 15, 2022·edited Jun 15, 2022Liked by E. Jean Carroll

Not too many of us Yard Swillers around today, that's for sure. But the Bounders and Football Enthusiasts will always be with us....

The good news is that in 2022 it's MUCH easier to legally uncouple than it was in 1919. In 1919 Wales (which is where this piece dates from), a divorce was only available through an individual act of parliament, which meant that your marriage -- and possible divorce -- would be publicly debated in the House Of Commons. (And only the *extremely* wealthy would have the money to bring this about. And the laws, of course, favoured the men....)

While some of the advice still rings true (I'm looking at *you*, Tailor's Dummies), at least marriage isn't the inescapable legally-binding death-is-the-only-way-out lifetime commitment it was 100 years ago. But then as now, of course, the trick is to FIND a Window Cleaning Coal-Getter in the first place....

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Jun 15, 2022Liked by E. Jean Carroll

I feel compelled to write because I have married three times. For me, third time was the charm. Here is the advice I would have given my younger self about men:

1. If they have a temper (even if not directed at you)--run. Men that yell and get really angry are frustrated with themselves and can't articulate what they are feeling so they yell. You may think it's not directed at you (it's only the waiter, the tangled xmas lights, blah blah) but it will be.

2. If they are crazy jealous-- do NOT think it's a compliment. It's because they are so insecure with themselves. And they hate themselves for it-- so they will take it out on you. Run

3. If they don't have at least as strong a work ethic as you-- run. Once again, they will resent you because you make them look lazy. And somehow they think they are getting back at you by being REALLY lazy.

4. If you catch them lying-- call it out immediately the first time. If they do not immediately fess up and have a good explanation (other than a surprise vacay or birthday present, there are no good reasons) Run. I cannot stress this enough.

5. Know thyself. Are you marrying someone because of unfinished family business? Figure out that baggage now!

6. Read-- codependent no more.

7. Read-- if you're in my office it's already too late (by a divorce lawyer).

It took me 2 terrible divorces, then therapy, and reading a lot of books to get to where I am now. I am married to a wonderful, loving partner. If I had followed the above advice (read those two books!) I would not have needed to go thru the 2 divorces that drained all my savings.

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Jun 15, 2022Liked by E. Jean Carroll

Not that the conflab needs a man’s opinion, but hell no, you don’t need a husband.

Just find someone who makes you laugh, makes you think, helps around the living space you are co-habituating in, who likes to do the horizontal rumba (Yes, I’m trying to be PG here, you gutter minded FREAKS..LOL), and is a contributing partner in everything.

Someone you can dress up to take to Broadway, or dress down to get BBQ and beer. Someone who knows the rare times when it’s ok to use their outside voice inside. Someone who wants to be the spoon or the spoonee. Who can be the rock to build the foundation on, and be the roll with it because that is how the chaos of a post TFG 21st century seems to be going.

Most of all, be your own bestie. Men suck. We are good at a few things, and look nice in a tailored three piece suit, but in general, most of us suck the chrome off a trailer hitch.

Sorry to be so serious, conflab! If he can’t make you laugh, he’s a one night stand.

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Jun 15, 2022Liked by E. Jean Carroll

Thé concept is outdated but I went for it and married the guy anyway. We don’t plan on having kids and are both educated and make our own moola, so there’s no reason to get hitched but here we are. I would do it again, even after 15 years of ups and downs. He’s smart, kind, giving, patient, funny, faithful, and most importantly, he loves the hell out of me. And he still has a magnificent head of hair and abs, but now I’m just bragging. Truly one of the only people I can be my absolute self with and I’m still physically attracted to him after all these years. So if you can find one like mine, I say go for it. Otherwise? Who needs ‘em?

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Jun 15, 2022Liked by E. Jean Carroll

I have cats and much prefer them to lying cheating and disrespectful men. At my age most men are looking from what someone said “ either a nurse or a purse”. I would provide neither being a single woman who supports herself and paid for many years of formal education.

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Love this topic! Married at 21 and my husband was a great father, lover and companion. He turned to alcohol to deal with the stresses of life! Changed his personality became a brute, lazy and an asshole. I left and have never found one worthy. I decided long ago that there are few men worth the sacrifice of being married. Marriage is highly overrated. The only benefit is two wonderful children now adults.

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Jun 15, 2022·edited Jun 15, 2022Liked by E. Jean Carroll

My last husband was The Best. Even though I'm a widow now, I still feel married to him.

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Jun 15, 2022Liked by E. Jean Carroll

My husband and I both have our faults, but we bear witness to each other’s lives in a way that I find very nice. We are self-aware of our flaws to a degree that we both think we got the better deal in the marriage. Even though my marriage has worked out (well, for the last 18 years; who knows what’s ahead), my advice is buyer beware.

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Jun 15, 2022·edited Jun 15, 2022Liked by E. Jean Carroll

Okay, to start, I'm assuming when we're talking about husbands we're talking about cismen or transmen to whom we are legally married. I had one of those for 10 years, with three and a half years of mostly cohabitating before that, and I will say NOPE, don't need another one of them. Perhaps the whole heterosexual nuclear family model made some kind of sense on a theoretical level to aid the raising of small children and the collective purchasing of property, but, for me anyway, it was an incredibly stressful, ill-fitting suit that was hell to get out of and I never want to try and squeeze into again.

Also, we were totally trauma-bonded, which combined with the fact that he's a narcissistic prick, doomed the whole enterprise from the start. When I think of his current wife these days I just think, Good luck with that, sister. Feh.

At this point in my life I own my own house (with considerable assistance on the front end from my parents, to be sure) and my children are grown, so what ever would be the point? I will not ever combine finances with someone again, I don't want to cohabitate, and I need no help raising my children. I don't need a husband to have love or great sex or companionship, which is a great comfort to me. Thank you, Second Wave Feminism!

Now, I do have a dear friend who has been with her now-husband for nearly 30 years. They decided to get legally married about 10 years ago simply because they do own property together and we are all getting older and they didn't want there to be any confusion about having access to each other in the hospital or whichever of them dies first what would happen to their collective assets. This makes a lot of practical sense, I'll admit. If my current companion and I stay together for the long haul I could see making a similar decision eventually, but we'll still always live separately and keep separate finances. Not only will that preserve my sanity, it will strike that balance between independence and intimacy that protects desire, and desire is most of why I want to be in a long-term commitment anyway. For me, sex is better with someone deeply known.

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Jun 15, 2022Liked by E. Jean Carroll

Ohhhh..... I promised my banker I wouldn’t get married again!

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Jun 15, 2022·edited Jun 15, 2022Liked by E. Jean Carroll

Oh HELL NO! Not now, not ever, not even for a billion bucks.

I came damn close - after torturing myself for 8 long years with a man who not only couldn't keep his equipment in his pants - but then three months before out wedding announced he had been sleeping with a man and couldn't give him up.

Since then, I have never been tempted. With the very rare exception, men are exactly as the opening to your post stated, "lazy, selfish, thoughtless, lying, drunken, clumsy, heavy-footed, rough, brutes..." To be fair, that's how most are raised and then systematically taught to behave in school. Plus, most are ruled by their sex drive, which prompts them to do all sorts of unkind, selfish, stupid, and abusive things. So no.

I have, of course, been pleasantly surprised by the tales told by my fellow Conflabbians, including the men. Kal, you give me hope ;-) But what continues to astound me is why so many women still fall for the Other BIG Lie - i.e. that they can and should fine a prince charming and live happily every after - and its related falsehood - that they have to look and behave a particular way to land one.

First of all, most happily ever after scenarios involve childbirth - which is not only unpleasant but can kill you - and second, marriage still involves financial commitments that are not always easy to break.

So sorry Auntie E. I know that this obsession with obtaining husbands gives advice columnists plenty of work but I'm not going there. HUGS!

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Jun 15, 2022Liked by E. Jean Carroll

I'm uncertain if my experience is of value, since I'm fairly sure we're weird. My husband & I met in high school & got married at 18. We did everything wrong according to an article I read on '5 Main Reason Why Marriages Don't Work': 1) Married too young; 2) Different ethnic backgrounds (he's Mexican, I'm Norwegian); 3) Different religions (he was raised Catholic, I became an atheist at age 14); 4) having kids too soon (our daughter was born after 8.5 months); & 5) Financial issues (boy, did we have 'em). We made it regardless & celebrated 60 years in January. We made it because we're partners, we have each others' backs, & - what's most important - we make sure, when we have problems, we both are in a space where we can listen to the other & truly understand what is being said. It's okay to tell each other we can't talk right now since we are united in trying to resolve our issues. Neither gets hurt or huffy, if we need to wait for the right time, because we know there are times when we just can't resolve issues, where solutions aren't likely, & we're fine with that. But we also know some problems don't age well, so we plan on when we"ll 'fix' it. That we still love each other, that there's still lust, & joy, & kindness towards each other are facts. We are very lucky people. I, for one, do need my husband & (it may seem unnatural), I love my spouse more that my children. Like I wrote, we're weird.

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Jun 15, 2022·edited Jun 15, 2022Liked by E. Jean Carroll

Trained from birth in the deep south to be chaste and coy, and to find and marry the perfect husband, at age 18, that’s exactly what I did. ~Except pobody's nerfect! Im not, and neither is my husband! … AND… that very system of social conditioning is causing unspeakable amounts of depression, repression, and stunted human growth! …why should everything rely on one person? It took me twenty five years to swallow that, and I am still choking on it! -- - Even though I do LOVE my person! It is still pervasive; just kinda baked in to the hot air and home cookin’ we all eat and breathe…

As a young girl, in an ultraconservative patriarical household, My virginity and my value were intertwined, and so was my reputation to that of my mother and sister...brother and father... Unlike the gals in my hometown whom married their high school sweetheart, I got my "MRS degree," and I married my college love. Today, I am 48 and Its been 30 years since our first date... John is pretty close to an ideal partner... he still tells great jokes, makes great paintings, a great lasagne and he still knows how to romance. But, at age 43, I was feeling a few lumpy grudges (why didn’t I have that second kid?) and some big mid life regret at never having "played the field" .... but why?? ...I had a husband I adored, a darling daughter, career, a home and a dog, and all that ... but still it was a naggin' me.... I didnt have the guts or the will to leave all that, fer naught...to turn over the apple cart my darling prize red delicious baby daughter apple was bein’ raised in,…so I decided to just stay in the shoes I was wearin’… But I still went offa the path, and then offa the deep end, and I had an affair.. and.. gulp...I fell in love again.... It was wonderful and terrible... like drowning and flying at the same time.. It was not a mid life crisis as much as it was a mid life awakening. I discovered... Yes, I could love w two people at the same time...It was wild and wronge. I betrayed my spouse and my family, but I felt so alive and the passion was addictive... Eventually, The other man wanted me all to himself, and couldn't stand it, so he left me heart broken. It was my first time having a broken heart. I finally told my husband, and we slowly glued back the chipped vase of our love back together…and we have our darling daughter rose blooming inside of it… and our 30 plus years history together… a lifetime of inside jokes, and life experience…and we look forward to 30 more... but I still miss my love affair partner… however, I love my husband more. Because those high fires of passion I felt with that man couldn’t hold a candle to the long burning flame of creativity and companionship and family I share w John… Do I regret the love affair? No… I cant. It was one of the most pivotal memorable experiences of my life that I will never forget… I still think about him all the time… But I never wanna hurt my husband like that again… Now, I am in the throws of raising a teenager, but I think I prolly do need two husbands, eventually…or maybe even a husband and a wife? ha!!! who knows? … at least a sidepiece…some seasoned fries w extra ketchup… So, after my kid gets outta high school, I will prolly explore Polyamory and see where that leads my marriage... after all, I wanna grow old w John... and we are all more than capable of having and loving many friends, kids, siblings,…so why not? And, Perhaps our society has the sexual equivalent of an eating disorder? …or perhaps my paper chinette plate is already full? After all, There’s Ketchup on my blouse.

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Jun 16, 2022Liked by E. Jean Carroll

Wellllll....after dating numerous aholes and being engaged and returning several rings and turning down marriage proposals I married a very darling man 24 years ago. This past winter was rough as I was diagnosed with breast cancer. My husband went to every single one of my doctors visits. He held my hand standing up when I went into the horrible MRI machine for an hour because I am intensely claustrophobic and had to take a xanax to climb into the damn contraption. He held my hand before I went into surgery. He told me he did not care if I had breasts or not( I do) he just wanted me alive. He hugged me when I told him I was scared. He read Queen E. Jean's book What Are Men Good For? And loved it. Prior to Queen E. Jean getting unfairly ousted from Elle, I would read her columns too him and he would ALWAYS SAY...AND I QUOTE...." GOD I LOVE THAT WOMAN". We both agreed Elle Magazine was shit and would be banned forever from our home for taking

Away our joy of giggling in bed while reading the Queen's column. I told him before we got engaged that by age 11 I vowed never to change my last name if I got married because it was stupid. He agreed. I told him I hated watching football on weekends and I was nott he type of girl who would do this. He loves football. But he understood. He is 8 years younger than me and still tells me I am beautiful even though I need to lose weight. He said he was a dog man but loved my cats and helped me take in and save the ferals and abandoned kitties we have saved and loved. His love has gotten me through hard times. We sometimes fight. We are not perfect. But he is my best friend. He is stalwart. One of the best things I have ever done is marry Lou. We married 10 months to the day of meeting one another. Eyes rolled. Tongues wagged. But it was meant to be. There are many shitty men out there. However, Lou is a diamond in the ruff of shits. He has one of the best hearts and souls I have ever known on this God forsaken Earth. I don't need to be married. I want to be married. But only ever to Lou.

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Jun 15, 2022Liked by E. Jean Carroll

By the age of 6, I decided marriage was not for me. This was a result of keen observation of the married women in my life . Those same women were the ones who put endless pressure on me to marry…. I happened to find a decent man who makes me laugh, and I love deeply, but I still know,

6 year old me was not wrong….

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Jun 15, 2022Liked by E. Jean Carroll

What a provocative topic, Auntie E!

The whole “master of the house” thing is antiquated although there are way too many of them out there who expect subservient wives. Thankful to have come along when I could divorce the first, who had problems I didn’t comprehend until I was in it. Thankful that I found the freedom to choose a grand passion. Thankful that, in the end, I found a man who is my true partner.

We must use our heads if we seek marriage. All too easy to put one’s Self into a trap by relying on hormones and passion.

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